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TwinRaven · Feb 21, 2008, 05:22 AM // 05:22

From an archery standpoint, the vertical allows for a greater pull length. Tilting the bow slightly diagonal allows laeger breasted women the safty of firing without the self-inflicted nipple injury. This is, however NOT prefered. They will often buy a leather padded guard (sometimes stitched into the shirt/pocket providing a modicum of breast protection). If you have ever fired a bow, you'll know the value of a good wrist guard....I can't imagine what that equates to in "nipple pain"...I'm sure there is not comparison.

Curse You · Feb 21, 2008, 06:37 AM // 06:37

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Originally Posted by TwinRaven

From an archery standpoint, the vertical allows for a greater pull length. Tilting the bow slightly diagonal allows laeger breasted women the safty of firing without the self-inflicted nipple injury. This is, however NOT prefered. They will often buy a leather padded guard (sometimes stitched into the shirt/pocket providing a modicum of breast protection). If you have ever fired a bow, you'll know the value of a good wrist guard....I can't imagine what that equates to in "nipple pain"...I'm sure there is not comparison.

If it hurts so much, why not do what the Amazons did?

wraithe · Feb 21, 2008, 06:40 AM // 06:40

i prefer vertical..i think it looks more realistic..but some char look good firing horizontal..

Bryant Again · Feb 21, 2008, 06:53 AM // 06:53

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Originally Posted by Curse You

If it hurts so much, why not do what the Amazons did?

Kinda like saying "if your arm is aching, chop it off"? I like it!

Shyft the Pyro · Feb 21, 2008, 07:22 AM // 07:22

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Originally Posted by Curse You

If it hurts so much, why not do what the Amazons did?

You do know some people think "amazon" derives from "a mazos," which would translate along the lines of "without a breast," meaning "female warriors who cut off one of their breasts to be good archers"?

DarkWasp · Feb 21, 2008, 07:30 AM // 07:30

Well theres also a big difference in arm size.

Male rangers look muscular, females look toned.

Maybe their arms would wear out of they fired verticly all the time.

However, they can swing fellblades. If they wanted realism, male wariors and maybe dervishes would be the only ones able to swing those things that fast.

(But yeah, when female eles and necrros do the verticle its freaking awesome)

cataphract · Feb 21, 2008, 07:41 AM // 07:41

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Originally Posted by gremlin

Anyone else like to see crossbows ?

Not me.

The crossbow is a weapon for disposable troops since its handling requires little to nothing training. The bow is quite the opposite. Archers of many armies were highly trained, some even from childhood. Not everyone could use a bow efficiently but a crossbow was a no-brainer. In medieval Italy every household had one. Much like american households have a shotgun. Point, click, forget.

No crossbows, please.

Kashrlyyk · Feb 21, 2008, 08:25 AM // 08:25

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Originally Posted by TwinRaven

...If you have ever fired a bow, you'll know the value of a good wrist guard....,...

Which neither the Sunspear nor the Tyrian armor has. At least not on the correct side.

gremlin · Feb 21, 2008, 11:57 AM // 11:57

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Originally Posted by cataphract

Not me.

The crossbow is a weapon for disposable troops since its handling requires little to nothing training. The bow is quite the opposite. Archers of many armies were highly trained, some even from childhood. Not everyone could use a bow efficiently but a crossbow was a no-brainer. In medieval Italy every household had one. Much like american households have a shotgun. Point, click, forget.

No crossbows, please.

Interesting argument against crossbows and it is true you can train someone to reasonable accuracy with a crossbow in a few hours.
The Longbowmen of the day started as children and spent 10 years or more to build up their strength and accuracy.

But if we do follow that for GW then only Rangers or an equivalent class should use bows.
In GW all the skills are "no brainers" since all it takes is a little money and a few minutes to allow any character to use another skill.

Personally I would like an asura repeating crossbow that needed a high expertise to use because it was so complicated.

Or a 1200 lb Siege arbalast that required great strength to use.

cataphract · Feb 21, 2008, 12:53 PM // 12:53

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Originally Posted by gremlin

Personally I would like an asura repeating crossbow that needed a high expertise to use because it was so complicated.

Expertise requirement is what should have been done with bows. Although, implementing a dual requirement on weapons and shields would be much more realistic.

Let's take a bow as an example: requirement 9 Marksmanship, 15-28 damage range. That's all fine, but also allows non rangers to use a bow with no effort and next to nothing difference than a ranger. And that's not logical. In order to make weapons unique to a unique profession, they should somehow be tied to that professions primary attribute. This, however, would not be quite good enoguh because we'd like to allow other professions to use all weapons. Hence the dual requirement. Like this:

Bow; damage 15-28 (requires 9 Marksmanship); base damage range +5 (requires 9 Expertise). Same principle would be applied to every other weapon. This would accomplish something I really miss in GW - a feeling of a truly unique profession. It's not good when everyone can wield everyone else's weapon with almost same success.

Miss Puddles · Feb 21, 2008, 09:20 PM // 21:20

my bows are almost always taller than my ranger is.

sideways it is

mrmango · Feb 21, 2008, 11:21 PM // 23:21

Add bowstrings and arrows too. :P

genofreek · Feb 21, 2008, 11:29 PM // 23:29

My derv holds hers vertically, and strikes a very heroic pose before firing.

I wouldn't change a thing.

distilledwill · Feb 22, 2008, 12:51 AM // 00:51

Ive noticed dervishes have a very rigid stlye of firing, with their legs straight and their body turned to the side. I think thats quite cool.

Lady S Shiva · Feb 22, 2008, 12:58 AM // 00:58

male ranger was the first char i ever created, also the first char that got deleted, cause i don't like the way he shoots
a year later, made a female ranger in faction, she looks prettier and shoots prettier, ^_^

**cosyfiep** · Feb 22, 2008, 01:26 AM // 01:26

I dont play my ranger much, but I do have a mesmer ranger and I notice that she likes to do both horizontal and vertical with her bow.....

(same bow in the same battle, she changes positions, maybe because of the skills she is using??)

anonymous · Feb 22, 2008, 01:28 AM // 01:28

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Originally Posted by doinchi

That would be quite nice actually. In addition choosing which is you "Main" hand would be cool. So if your left handed, you can wield your weapon on your left.

I mean its something I notice and would like to change, but it doesn't keep me up at night hehe.

I thought left handed people held the bows in their right hand so they could pull the string with their left? I'm right handed and I pull the string with my right hand.

gremlin · Feb 22, 2008, 02:42 AM // 02:42

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Originally Posted by cataphract

Expertise requirement is what should have been done with bows. Although, implementing a dual requirement on weapons and shields would be much more realistic.

Some good points there about making weapon use more reflect the effort needed to master rather than just use a weapon.
It's possible they didn't bother because they figured the prime class user would have more powerful skills to boost the base damage of the weapon.
For the most part this is true

It would be interesting to see how gw would work out if the secondary profession was much more limited than the prime.
That would make the prime class much more important, you would still be able to use skills and weapons of your secondary class but much less than at present.

DarkGanni · Feb 22, 2008, 03:48 AM // 03:48

Vertically for me but I don't mind vertical.

crazybanshee · Feb 22, 2008, 04:25 AM // 04:25

I prefer vertically, I just feel like the horizontal firing is kinda.. ghetto. I noticed that my female ele will sometimes fire one way, then start firing the other way. Figured those lousy bikini armors she's wearing were getting in her way